Criminals, Wealthy Elite Sign Mount Vernon Statement
A group of conservatives got together and tried to save conservatism in America. The Mount Vernon Statement is proof, conservatives still don’t get it. First and foremost, guys, “The Declaration of Independence” might be a “founding document,” but we don’t govern based off of it. We govern based off of the Constitution. The Constitution restricts the government from establishing a religion and never mentions God. So half of your proposals are out on their face.
Signatories and why history has discredited them.
Edwin Meese, former U.S. Attorney General under President Reagan
If you need me to explain why Reagan failed, you shouldn’t be reading this blog. Start here and work forward.
Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America
“We are the nation’s largest public policy women’s organization with a rich 30-year history of helping our members across the country bring Biblical principles into all levels of public policy.”
Edwin Feulner, Jr., president of the Heritage Foundation
The Heritage Foundation is Powell Memo progeny: “The Heritage Foundation is the nation’s most broadly supported public policy research institute, with more than 580,000 individual, foundation and corporate donors. Heritage, founded in February 1973, has a staff of 244 and an expense budget of $61 million.”
Lee Edwards, Distinguished Fellow in Conservative Thought at the Heritage Foundation, was present at the Sharon Statement signing.
Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council
“Family Research Council (FRC) was founded in 1983 as an organization dedicated to the promotion of marriage and family and the sanctity of human life in national policy.”
Becky Norton Dunlop, president of the Council for National Policy
“The Council for National Policy is a secretive forum that was formed in 1981 by Tim LaHaye as a networking tool for leading US conservative political leaders, financiers and religious right activist leaders.“
Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Center
“Leaders of America’s conservative movement have long believed that within the national news media a strident liberal bias existed that influenced the public’s understanding of critical issues.” – Because reality has a well-known liberal bias.
Alfred Regnery, publisher of the American Spectator
Because there’s no conflict of interest here, selling people the story you’re involved in.
David Keene, president of the American Conservative Union
“We believe that capitalism is the only economic system of our time that is compatible with political liberty.” – this, from the oldest conservative lobbying group in America.
David McIntosh, co-founder of the Federalist Society
“Law schools and the legal profession are currently strongly dominated by a form of orthodox liberal ideology” – “…it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law is, not what it should be.” – So they believe the Judiciary is the Legislature, then.
T. Kenneth Cribb, former domestic policy adviser to President Reagan
Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform
“ATR was founded in 1985 by Grover Norquist at the request of President Reagan.” More Powell Memo money-shuffling. Paid to get paid by ripping everyone off. Advocates of a national flat tax, which is also called “regressive” when economists talk about it. Poor people paying an equal percentage as the rich? Absurd. Every penny means more to the poor. Norquist was implicated in the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal.
William Wilson, President, Americans for Limited Government
“The time is ripe for an independent, nonpartisan political movement that fights for hardworking taxpayers against the special interests that continually push for big government nationwide.” Oh, so an independent group that advocates exactly what Republicans always say? This appears to be a project of the Cato Institute, also Powell progeny, and is spawning further sub-projects and groups to obscure its activities. They’re planning a “NetRight Nation,” attempting to co-opt the highly-successful Netroots Nation for progressive bloggers.
Elaine Donnelly, Center for Military Readiness
“The armed forces should not be used for political purposes or social experiments that needlessly elevate risks, detract from readiness, or degrade American cultural values.” AKA No gays in the military. They work full time on this issue.
Richard Viguerie, Chairman, ConservativeHQ.com (websites have chairmen?)
“That’s why ConservativeHQ.com focuses on the real threat to conservative victory: Big-Government Republicans.” So anyone who votes yes on anything while a black man is President: get out of the party.
Kenneth Blackwell, Coalition for a Conservative Majority
“…co-founded in November 2007 by indicted former Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and former Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell to ‘help conservatives better convey their message to voters and take back control of Congress.’” – This is the Tom Delay of… the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal! DING DING DING! And Blackwell: “Blackwell gained national prominence for his dual roles as Chief Elections Official of Ohio and honorary co-chair of the “Committee to re-elect George W. Bush” during the 2004 election.”
Colin Hanna, President, Let Freedom Ring
“Social Security Reform — to achieve financial independence, not dependence” – they want to gut Social Security. They work full-time on this.
Kathryn J. Lopez, National Review
Another website selling access to the story of its’ own Kathryn Lopez signing the Mount Vernon Statement.
So chew on those for a while. This is the platform that they’re secretly pushing, behind all the flowery language of their “statement.” They’re just saying what they’ve always said: they don’t support a woman’s privacy rights, they don’t think gays are people, and they’re pretty much not into government, but want to control government. Government is not fine, but we are fine governors. More Patriotic Christianity.
Shawn Fleek
So you think that we should believe someone who’s super-left wing and thinks he knows it all? The first clue that you don’t is that you think Reagan failed. No, the guy wasn’t perfect, but he’s been the closest to it of any president this side of Nixon.
While we don’t govern from the Declaration, it is our mission statement, and it does show a nation founded on God’s laws.
David
02/17/2010 at 5:30 pm
It’s not super left-wing to think gays are human, or women have a right to privacy. Actually that’s the law of the land. Just like the Constitution is the law of the land. And the Constitution has an “establishment clause” which says you can’t govern with religion. It protects the church and the state to keep them separate. They’re criminals and wealthy people working off the premise of the Powell Memo, which is to protect corporate interests over those of people.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/17/2010 at 5:35 pm
So you think that we think gays aren’t human. Again, makes you hard to believe. You think we think women don’t have a right to privacy. You’re making my point.
The Establishment clause says simply that the Government can’t endorse any religion. Meaning it can’t do what King Eddie VIII did. Creating a state religion.
Oh, and then you say that corporations aren’t made up of people….you’re doing really well, Shawn.
David
02/17/2010 at 5:55 pm
Corporations are made up of people, those people have speech. Corporations have extra speech. “biblical values in public policy” is religious tyranny.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/19/2010 at 5:25 pm
How come your buddy Obama’s not too worried about the corporations???Like GE…seems he should be on the cover of MAD magazine…he looks just like Alfred E.
We’ve already proven that, because you say it doesn’t make it so. So having a prohibition against murder and stealing = religious tyranny?? Guffaw!
David
02/19/2010 at 5:33 pm
These people aren’t talking about outlawing murder, they’re talking about outlawing being gay. GAY. They don’t support gay rights. Gays are people, David. Corporations have more rights than gays.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/19/2010 at 5:35 pm
Because murder is already outlawed? And actually, sodomy is against God’s law, too. As is adultery. Nobody is talking about outlawing something that’s human nature, like what liberals tried to do in passing laws against discrimination. We’re not even talking about outlawing same-sex sex. But marriage is, and always has been, between a man and a woman. Outlawing same-sex marriage, you betcha. Do gays have a right to live, sure. Do they have a right to earn a paycheck and go to the grocery, yep. Just like me. Can they live together? yes. Can they have a civil union? yes. Can they have a marriage? No. God blesses marriages. The state gives a license for two people to live and procreate together.
Corporations have more rights than people, period. But that’s the way government, dems and repubs, want it.
David
02/22/2010 at 10:31 am
Right. Separation of church and state, David. You want to pull out your Bible and call it legal. The Bible isn’t the Constitution. People like you scare me, frankly. I’m glad you’re here, outing yourself, so when you fly a plane into a building in the name of Christian jihad or “natural discrimination” or whatever that people read this and realize there’s something wrong with people like you. You’re in the Taliban, buddy. Go throw acid in a lady’s face for having an abortion. Go kill an Abortion doctor. Go kill a guard at the holocaust museum. Go write a blog about how Obama is a fascist because he wants to give you health care. Get it over with.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/22/2010 at 10:36 am
Thankfully, people who do those kinds of things are few and far between. And thankfully, so are far-left people like you.
There is nothing that says the Church and the state need be separate. It says that the State cannot endorse or create a state religion.
Discrimination IS natural. People who don’t know how to discriminate get dead. Discrimination is not marginalization, though. In this country human is human. Incidentally, that includes the unborn, which you far-lefties advocate the murder of…
Obama cannot give anyone anything without taking something from someone else. And I already have health care. He’s not giving me anything. More likely, he wants to take it away from me and give me something that’s worth less but costs more. I don’t take anything from the government that I don’t pay for.
David
02/22/2010 at 11:57 am
You drive? You eat corn-based food? You get mail? Government: it’s what you don’t think about while railing against government.
Babies are people. Babies are born and in no way attached to a living breathing person. Fetuses are a medical condition for women to deal with, and can’t survive outside of their mother for many months, even then it’s risky. Ask only women what to do about abortion, they’ll tell you that 1 in 3 women eventually has one, needed and had one. It’s a safe, legal medical procedure, and you as a man have nothing to do with it unless you’re an abortion doctor.
You get lots from government. Of course if I had my way, you wouldn’t get money for anything, because you don’t appreciate it. You’re so ungrateful. Unless you’re a millionaire, you’re benefiting from progressive taxation. You can run your own military and deliver your own mail. Have fun.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/22/2010 at 12:06 pm
Yes I drive, and eat corn. Very little mail. But I pay for all of them. I don’t take freebies from the Government.
Even medical textbooks say that a fetus is a human being. But what you’re saying is that it’s ok to murder. As long as it’s inside the womb, it’s ok. Way to go, Shawn! Remember, even a fully born baby is unable to survive very long without its parents intervention. Again, to you, it’s a matter of location. The fact that women have had, or will have abortions is irrelevant. Those that need them to save their own lives, for medical reasons are a different story. Abortion as a birth control procedure is what I’m against.
What do I get from the government that I don’t pay for? I’ll answer for you: Nothing.
David
02/22/2010 at 12:26 pm
Yeah, and I do deliver my own mail.
And I pay my military.
David
02/22/2010 at 12:27 pm
And I pay for abortions even though I’ll never have one. I pay for welfare even though I never have and never will, unless Obama messes up the economy some more, need. I pay unemployment taxes that I’ve only gotten twice in my life. And I pay for your Viagra, Lucian.
David
02/22/2010 at 12:29 pm
Sorry, Shawn.
David
02/22/2010 at 12:30 pm
Abortion isn’t what this was supposed to be about, but you’re obesessing with it. If there are doctors willing to perform an abortion, it shouldn’t be up to you to decide whether it should happen or not. That’s why you’re the American Taliban: you want to govern based off of your religion (never-mind anyone else’s) and you want to restrict what women are allowed to do with their own bodies. You’re probably this adamant “go liberate the Iraqis”, jingoist kind of person yet you don’t realize that our country needs to be liberated form religious half-wits like you. It’s flat-earth syndrome. You don’t believe in science and the only book you’ve ever read is the Bible. Pick up a copy of the Constitution (the ultimate law of the land) and it will be made clear to you that your religious moral objection to the law is no reason to change the law. Just don’t get an abortion.
(Your oil and your corn are taxpayer-subsidized, you socialist scum)
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/22/2010 at 12:32 pm
You’re the one who brought up abortion. But you’re right, it’s not up to me, or you, or the woman. It’s God’s creation.
And your spew really shows what you are-you cannot have a disagreement with someone without attacking the person, which is typical of far-leftists like you. Frankly, I think we should have turned Iraq into glass and let them deal with it from there. I can guarantee I’ve read more than you, Shawn, and in wider fields. I know that science exists because of God’s creation. I know there is no science without God, all other science is speculation.
I pay for my oil and corn, you left-wing idiot.
David
02/22/2010 at 4:27 pm
No, there are huge corn and oil subsidies. Huge. You don’t want to pay for the corn in your food without them. Or meat for that matter, which is fed on subsidized corn. I thought you said you were smart, and well-read? I thought this was a dick-length contest, and so you’d come at least with A dick, nevermind if it’s small?
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/22/2010 at 5:28 pm
it’s not a child until the cord is cut. before then it’s just a parasite.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/22/2010 at 12:33 pm
This is your opinion, and not the opinion of the majority of the scientific community.
David
02/22/2010 at 4:30 pm
My religion says people named David are all pious jackholes. I’m going to change the law to say it. WHAT, DAVID? YOU DON’T AGREE WITH MY RELIGION? Well that’s too bad. My religion, of course, is the right religion. Yours is just the wrong one. Just switch to my religion! Then you’ll think all Davids are jackholes too! I’m gonna go change the law to say “All Davids are Pious Jackholes,” okay? Okay? What? Don’t you get it? RELIGION IS NOT LAW.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/22/2010 at 1:33 pm
The problem is that YOUR religion is based on error. As are your thought processes. At least you’re consistent, Shawn.
David
02/22/2010 at 4:32 pm
Sarcasm is lost on you. You’re brainwashed by a faith into badgering me because you think things like the “Mount Vernon Statement” are legitimate expressions of faithful people. These are your corporate masters, and you the God-fearing American invite them on. I don’t care about your religion, just keep it off me and my family. If I decide to have sex with a man or abort a fetus inside my body, then keep your government-intervention out of my family. You’re in the Taliban. That’s a real personal attack. American values abhor people like you, who want to impose their faith on other people. I don’t believe in your God, or “God’s Law,” and my rights as a citizen are equal. You are deluded. Frankly I find it pretty arrogant that you think you know. Doubt is the only smart position. Critical thought. Is that too much to ask?
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/22/2010 at 5:27 pm
Well, I don’t have corporate masters. And if corn was sold at a price I’m not willing to pay, I wouldn’t buy it. I don’t depend on corn subsidies. I could care less who you have sex with, just don’t call it marriage. That’s between a man and a woman. You can’t change the definition and expect people to accept it. I don’t care if you abort a baby. I care about the baby. And if you really want government control out of your body, why did you let them legislate abortion into law? Impose something on others? What’s all that government regulation about? I guess it’s ok with you, as long as it doesn’t come from Church. But the murder and theft laws come directly from God, whether you like it or not, whether you acknowledge it or not. Without God in your life, your next breath is not. Whether you acknowledge it or not. You’ll find out when you meet your maker. That’s a critical thought.
David
02/22/2010 at 5:45 pm
At least I don’t need a government subsidized little blue tablet to satisfy my wife…but as I said, if the price was too much for me to afford, I’d eat less and be better for it. Most of the US eats meat like it’s going out of style. Have you been in another country? Order a sandwich there and see if you get a nice stack of roast beef on there.
Again: I don’t use any governent services that I don’t pay for in taxes. And I pay taxes for a huge number that I will never, ever use. Including Social Security. PS I want my tax dollars back, the ones that are being wasted on the bridge that leads to your hut. You’re too dumb to own a home.
David
02/22/2010 at 5:49 pm
You stopped making sense ages ago. Religion is so twentieth century. You’re using a raft of government subsidies every time to buy gas, mail a letter, drive on a highway, or call 911. Unless you are the wealthiest guy on the planet, there’s someone else paying more than you. And he’s not on my blog complaining about progressive taxation. Your religion makes you intolerant and closed-minded. Where’d you get this viagra thing? Just being a pious jackhole? Just like my Bible says.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/22/2010 at 9:25 pm
My point is that I pay my fair share of taxes that pay those subsidies, even those I don’t use. You don’t get that? I pay for every letter (all 5 of them including my income tax forms a year) I mail, tax on every gallon of gas I put in my car, tax for paving the roads. Those that make more money pay more tax. What did I originally complain on your blog about, Shawn? Your mis-characterization of people you disagree with. And then you go and mischaracterize me. You don’t know intolerant until you look in the mirror. The viagra thing? Well, you must be on welfare, and your health plan allows you to use viagra. If I’m wrong about the welfare, so sorry. But the pharmaceutical industry also has government subsidies, so if you use viagra, and being the angry man you are, I can see the need, you can thank me for keeping the price down for you.
Intolerant? Nope. Closed-minded, no way. I just know the difference between right and wrong, and it’s almost always very black and white. But first of all, I’m human and a sinner, just like you are. But as the Lord asks, I forgive those who sin against me, in hopes that He’ll forgive me.
[editor's note: David's been using his company email to do this, presumably at work. So I called Bank of the West to tell them. Any updates on that David?]
David
02/23/2010 at 9:59 am
Christians, am I right? I’m a working man! I toil, scrub things, really earn my money, and I’m in the lowest quintile of earnings. So if there’s a “working poor”, that’s me. I’m not complaining about my lot in life, I’m saying that if it weren’t for people like me earning crap wages to cook your food, your dinners out would cost a lot more. So if I ask you, who earn more than me, to pay a higher percentage of your income to keep me alive if my wages are insufficient (and some months its’ close), that’s not too much to ask. It’s called progressive taxation, and it works, has worked for a long time, to build a middle class. You’re intolerant of my faith, which is different than yours. Why can’t I live my life without your religion coming into it? Sounds pretty un-American. What kind of Christian goes around speculating about whether my dick gets hard? Oh, I know, one of those closeted gay Christians, a self-hating homo. Seriously, every argument you make just comes down to your deluded faith, and then you go around defending discrimination and hating on gays and women. This is why conservatives will keep losing elections, so by all means let the people see the choice in the open, between hateful people like you and the reasonable majority of us all. All you’ve said since you go here is “I’m a Christian.” Well I’m a Buddhist, David. So figure out a way that enshrining your views into law makes society just for me and people who are Muslim or Jewish or Catholic? You can’t, because you’re intolerant. I don’t need “saved,” I need liberty from the religious tyranny you and your American Taliban friends want.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/23/2010 at 3:07 pm
First, Shawn, you don’t cook my food. Any restaurant dependent on me to keep them in the black will fail. When we do eat out, it’s often a Chinese buffet or In n Out. This is very seldom.
I think, that you’re probably capable of doing better. Like most people. Entry level wages are paid for entry level jobs, and are not usually meant for earning a living wage. Working at Burger King taking orders is not supposed to sustain a family, it’s supposed to teach a kid what it takes to make a living. That said, there are people less capable, but it’s hard to imagine. I didn’t graduate college, because I was too busy partying. I didn’t have a skill. I went to work in restaurants, like Howard Johnson’s, working my way up to management (even then making very little), then joined the Navy. [editor's note: The Armed Forces is the largest expenditure of the US budget, and is a total welfare state for its "volunteers," who are given food, clothing and housing for the duration of their mission.] I left the Navy a better cook, but with a wife, I had to find a way to earn. She did the hard work, as a housekeeper, while I built my talents to earn in the top 20% of wage earners. So it’s possible to take someone with no talent and give them talent. It takes ambition. But for those who can’t, yes, we should help. I’ve been to the Philippines and I don’t want to see people living under bridges. All I said is that I’m a first-class tax payer, who pays for things I don’t need. In fact, when my cupboard was bare, and I went to the government to ask for help, I got turned away. I never asked again. [editor's note: except for that whole "having been in the Navy" thing.]
You can’t live your life without Christianity because most of your laws are based on Christian morals and ethics. I didn’t speculate about your penis. You brought it up in your intolerant rant. All I care is that I don’t want to pay for your deviant sex life. Care to show me how I hate gays or women? Regarding elections, we’re actually winning more than we’re losing these days, haven’t you noticed?
Oh, Buddhist, are you? What does a Buddhist believe? And by the way, Muslim laws are even stricter than Christian ones…you’d do reeeeeaaaaaaallllll well in Saudi…
David
02/23/2010 at 3:27 pm
Haha, your boss told you to stop using your company email address. Dummy.
I live my life without Christianity. There are older laws than the Bible against murder. And it’s obviously just wrong to commit murder, the same way it’s obviously wrong for you to force a woman to remain pregnant because your -preacher- says it’s murder. Not your Bible, your preacher. the same way you want the state-sanctioned contract of marriage (for tax and benefits purposes) to be all about he concept of Christian love, when in fact Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Atheists get married. SELFISH!
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/23/2010 at 3:31 pm
You think so? I am, pretty much, my boss. Navy and Armed forces are ‘given’ lodging, food, etc. in return for risking their lives. Like everything else so far, ie your entire blog, you are wrong again!
David
02/24/2010 at 10:33 am
Your supervisor said otherwise. How am I not risking my life by working over open flames for scale? Or by living in an environment that is legally polluted more every day? Or in a country with so many guns that little kids and college professors are all in on the act of shooting sprees? Low tax rates for the ultra-wealthy (top 1 or 2%) are economically problematic, they cause income disparity that creates market imbalance, like our current liquidity trap. And I’ll reiterate: Christians might be a majority in America, but there are a hundred different kinds of Christian and they don’t all agree, plus there are Jews, Muslims, Atheists and lots of other kinds of people. you can’t legislate because of your faith. It’s against the LAW, The Constitution, and the five-word phrase so simple you should be able to get it, “separation of church and state.” The establishment clause prevents the laws of the USA from picking a favored religion, and even if your proposed anti-gay marriage statute doesn’t say “God” in it, you’re bigoted from your faith into believing gays aren’t people. Your preacher has you convinced he knows better than the medical doctors who perform the legal procedure known as abortion. When abortion is illegal, people still get abortions. This is key. You’re asking those women to get them in back alleys with coat hangers and shop-vacs. That kills productive adults. Why doesn’t the life of me the wage slave and pollution victim, the gay couple that wants to get married, or the woman with a right to choose for herself, or the people of any other religion, why don’t our rights matter? Oh, because you’re a Christian, specifically a Catholic. And you’re a bigot. You vote for your “conservative” party while they spend more than the “liberal” party and give huge tax breaks to corporations. You’re probably paying higher taxes than people earning ten or twenty times what you do, there’s this myth that people in america are middle class when in reality there’s a huge number of poor, lower-middle-class people. It’s not a bell curve. You’re deluded, you are middle class but think of yourself as ultra-wealthy. Then you vote for Reagan, who cuts ultra-wealthy corporate taxes. Sheep.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/24/2010 at 2:04 pm
Aside from all your drivel, show me where, in the 1st Amendment, it says “separation of church and state”? Let me refresh your memory:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
See? Says nothing about using religious principals to enact laws. And it doesn’t stop anyone from declaring that the US is a fundamentally Christian nation (Christianity, as you so well point out, is not one religion. But all Christianity has 10 commandments. One of which is “You shall not murder.”)
Who said that your rights don’t matter? All I said is that unborn infants have rights too. You deny that. All humans have rights, and all humans have dignity. No dispute about it. Which, by the way, defeats your definition of bigot.
Regarding the spending habits of congress, I know what you’re saying, which is why I said both sides are at fault. You need to learn to read. Maybe I’ll come back when you do. MAybe you can even get your GED.
David
02/24/2010 at 2:21 pm
I’m college-educated you down-talking prick. Keep your fiath out of my laws, until you convince me that Christians like you aren’t exactly as crazy as the Taliban. You think that a fetus is an infant. A woman who doesn’t want a baby doesn’t see it that way, and you have no right to force her to carry a child to term. Just because your religion says I shouldn’t marry a guy, that doesn’t mean that the state institution of marriage should bar two men from marrying. You’re just trying to but into other peoples’ lives. “Government should get out of the way.” – Ronald Reagan. Out of the way of the courthouse, or the abortion clinic. The GOP is using your faith against you to get you to vote for Reaganomics. “When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – Sinclair Lewis
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/24/2010 at 2:26 pm
So why cant you get a decent job? I’m not College educated, and I do better than you. I don’t think a fetus is an infant. I know it. A woman who doesn’t want a baby should not be having sex. You cannot marry a guy because marriage is a religious institution that is defined as between a man and a woman. You’re already allowed to have a civil union. Sinclair Lewis was an athiest and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I tried talking nice to you, Shawn, you just refused it. TTFN
By the way. I work a lot more hours than you, and at all different times.
David
02/24/2010 at 2:43 pm
“I don’t think it, I know it.” Proof you’re not thinking. “I do better than you.” So life’s just this big game, eh? Where personal satisfaction and ego are measured in dollars? Ladies and gentlemen, a proud member of the petty bourgeois. The market pays us both what consumer impulses say we deserve, the government gives everyone the dignity that the dictates of consumer impulses lack. you hate the government because they’re putting you below six figures WHEN BARACK OBAMA CUT YOUR TAXES. Yes you pay more. Get the F over it. For the love of God, you’re helping 10% of Americans from living in a third-world country on the streets of our cities. We give the poor help overcoming addiction, even finding God if it helps them overcome their problems. We have programs to keep people who are mentally ill from being abused. You’re arguing against helping your brothers because you figured out how to set up and maintain networking equipment at a bank. Congratulations, you’re every kid who was born in the 80s. Your skill set will be shipped to India eventually and you’ll be destitute and you’ll retire screaming for your checks and you’ll get them, and you’ll complain the whole time. While you die you’ll watch movies of the Iraq war and think back fondly of all the Arabs you wished dead.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/24/2010 at 4:34 pm
You’re very dense, Shawn. GET THE GOVERNMENT TO STOP WASTING MONEY. When you or I give a dollar in taxes, don’t we deserve a dollar in services? Whether to me or to some poor person? Granted there’s overhead expenses. But not .75 of every dollar. Cut the waste, cut the pork. You aren’t allowed to live totally in debt, neither is the government.
David
02/24/2010 at 4:52 pm
Except that I was born in the 50′s. And my bank isn’t moving anything to India. But that’s alright, I have other skillsets that will serve me just fine.
I don’t know where you get the idea that I don’t want to help people. I want to do it. My way. I don’t give money to the United Way for the same reason. They spend too much on overhead. And I don’t wish anyone dead. Not even you and our big-eared president.
David
02/24/2010 at 4:55 pm
Name the government waste. I’m probably not for it. Who is for government waste? But here’s the thing: spending money helps the economy, regardless of what is bought, so long as it is purchased in America. Your government contribution is thousands of paychecks spent on groceries and nights out to dinner. Money circulates. And without money circulating, you wouldn’t have your job at your bank. So don’t whine. Progressive taxation is an economic stabilizer.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
02/24/2010 at 5:00 pm
In the welfare system 75 cents of every dollar goes to ‘overhead’. Understandable that SOME overhead is necessary. But we need to trim it. You probably can remember $1200 toilets in the military. I remember a ‘spend it so we don’t lose it’ mentality of many officers. I want them to use our money wisely. Ultimately, it’s not the government’s money. The government cannot give you anything that it doesn’t take from someone else. I don’t waste my money. I spend it the best I can, the best value for the buck, in my estimation. Government seems to forget where they get it from, and they get careless with it.
Progressive taxation gave us the unemployment rate we have now, and that we had in the Carter Administration. Let’s try a flat tax, and get rid of the IRS and all the loopholes. Have you seen the ads on TV “I owed 120,000 in back taxes and settled for 6000!”
David
02/24/2010 at 5:23 pm
I’m glad your defense of the Mount Vernon Statement turned into railing against abortion and welfare. This was such a productive couple of days for me, outing the bigotry that hides behind the flowery language of the next Contract on America.
Shawn Gray-Fleek
03/05/2010 at 4:44 pm